i have one, and believe me it has paid for itself, i have hot water heat powered by natural gas. In Feb of 08 I had to order replacement bulbs, they cost $59.00 for the 1000. Infrared heaters are efficient and fast, and can also be a good choice for fast zone heating as they have fans (with all the consequences I mentioned above). 4) Contrary to this article and many of its posts, the reason why infrared heaters have been so successful is not because of slick marketingprimarily it has been word of mouth. I do not believe Bob Villa has used one for the main heating in his home, but I do believe he has likely used it for zone heating. Again, it was ZONE heating and with a heat pump, like that was going to save me money. Also the heat is much nicer than baseboard heat- it feels warm and it stays comfortable. I have tried to return it for refund, but had to have the ORIGINAL shipping container, which I do not have after 2+ months, and neither Bass Pro Outlet nor Edenpure will accept the return w/o original shipping box, which Edenpure will NOT sell me because they say they only have one container per heater produced. [7] Burkett said he burned the originals after faxing copies of the documents to CBS. [1] Whether you like the article or not - the simple fact is any cost savings you are seeing by using an Eden Pure heater is due to the use of "zone heating" I.e. Don't buy Edenpure heater they are scammer. Suarez Corporation Industries / Pinnacle Systems claims of a US-1000 or Gen4 having 20,000 hour bulb life contains as much truth as a politicians typical campaign speech. To enhance the gameday experience in the Jim Kelly, Van Miller and Paul Maguire Clubs, a radiant heating system was installed and ready for use during the chilly games of the 2013 season. Types of shades include roller, Roman, blackout, and gentle pull-down cellular. So, for those looking for a way to reduce your bills, why don't you have your attic better insulated, replace your windows (if needed), and have a new heating unit or units installed, finance it all, and pay the extra on the payments instead of on the extra electricity you are using now. We bought an Eden Pure Gen 1000 a month and a half ago and lo and behold our electric company called today because they noticed a huge spike in our usage, as a matter of fact our usage has more than doubled. They are perfect for sleeping. The same method can be used in the walls, ceiling, and floor of a mobile home to regulate its temperature. I was going to purchase another EdenPure this year for the downstairs, but after seeing the .25 per hour and calculating the cost, that will not save money. It is an older model. Actually, when the Eden uses that copper coil to absorb the heat they're actually deceasing the efficiency of the heater. Sorry folks, some things I forgot to point out One item that they point out in the Bob Vila scam (I can't call it anything but!) This year, 2010, we noticed that the unit was not at all effective. This guy can't read apparently. U CANT HEAT HOT WATER DUH! i bought an eden pure heater for both myself and my elderly father and neither one will turn on after the first few times we used them with the screen flashing "not level" even though i used a level to verify they were sitting level .unfortunately this issue was not discovered until the start of the second year of use. Dose the Edenpure save you money? A btu is a btu is a btu. I'll definitely buy another. I will not buy an Eden Pure until they correct the post sale issues shown here. Well, come to my house, put you hands in front of each item and we will see which one you pull away from first! Both the gen 4 and the personal. Outputs range from 75,000 Btu to 450,000 Btu. FACT: Of course it will. It costs me about $9.00 per day to heat my house with Propane. [3][4] According to the review panel, investigations by major news outlets at the time, including CBS, "revealed inconsistencies which led to questions regarding his credibility and whether his claims could be proven". Suarez Corporation Industries / Pinnacle Systems have absolutely NO component life test data to back-up their component life claims. So, all is not equal definitely. All of your honest comments and reviews have just saved me from making a huge and costly mistake. The documents, purported to have been typed in the early 1970s, were likely produced many years later with a computer using Microsoft Word on default settings. Other heaters I've used don't keep the rooms warm because the controls don't allow the versatility that the EdenPure does. Once again use your heads and think about what you need. There is no combustion taking place in any electric heater, and no oxygen is being used. Why would Villa want to be associated with this ?? In looking into getting an fared heater, I did a lot of research. Some are made in China using cheap bulbs and some are made in the usa. In any case, you can reach the exactly the same result with what EdenPure promises, for a fraction of the cost. They promote using zone heating to save money. Also in the month I ran the Edenpure unit I saw an increase of about 8% on my electric bill versus the radiator unit. Also the actual cost for Endenpure gen 4 is $397 (2010 cost) refurbished 374.00 so there are models that are returned for a savings $23.00. ELECTRICAL ENGINEER on December 16, 2012: First of all, 120vac appliances are very inefficient compared to 220vac. Perrysburg, Ohio and go home with your product the same day. I have changed my mind and will not be purchasing the eden pure and will no longer trust Mr. Vila as someone who has MY best interest at heart. I tried to return the heater and it has been a running around to find the right place where I purchased it from. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. It will cost more. Second, it does not have any fan that blows hot air into your room, along with all dust and mites that you inhale, getting allergies and respiratory problems. The heat is a soft even heat and is extremely comfortable. Nothing wrong with EdenPure technology, it is credible, and the heater is as good as any other similar purpose heater (I only have hard time accepting its "ancient" design). The laws of physics, which can't be changed, say they'll both do the same thing. I WAS FREEZING. This Ken guy below me is an idiot and so are all those so called engineers that claim you get the same heat from any 1500 watt heater. Asked store manager about the eden pure heater and when we looked online, the same 1500 watt unit is rated at the same 5000+ btu's. Trust me. The first heater I got didn't run long before one of the elements went out. Have now started a dispute claim with my credit card company. I'll bet they had a forced-air heat pump. I don't know where one of these people learned their math, but a 300 sq ft room is not a 6 x 7. The claims include: There are a few ways to use a portable electric heater to save money: Electric heaters are not an efficient way to heat a home cheaply. Though I dont know why you would want to. The Gen 3 and 4 buyers beware, you're just the new victoms, your heating bulbs will probably be higher, because they are newer and new and improved. Someone should be going after SCI for false advertising at a minimum. ****. 2) Say you live in a 11,000 sq. I love it. yes my electric bill is higher when i run the eden pure, but my gas bill is greatly lowered, my main furnance mainly runs during the day when we are a work, because i dont like leaving the eden pure running when we are not home. The man in the commercial who stated he saved so much money that he bought two more and his electricity was half CANNOT be correct unless he is not using his EdenPures round the clock like we usually use our central. He claimed that in 1997, while outside the governor's office in Austin, he overheard a conversation about "wanting to bury George W. Bush's Vietnam service record". Buyer beware. Since heat is really part of the light spectrum, reflecting it back into the home has value. This is an electrical climate-control system which provides heat as well as refrigerated cooling. Consider Choosing a Different Electric Heater. Bill Burkett has filed for patents to protect the following inventions. Unfortunately, most don't pay enough attention or don't care about the consumer. I don't care if my electric bill doubles as long as I can put off ordering and paying this Government Created Shortage of Propane at astronomical prices. If you are going to call names and state things are scams, what do you think about these celebrities, who we would normally feel are honest, endorsing the senior life insurances they state is ONLY 9.00 per UNIT. Always open. That way, I do believe you can save money especially during the night while sleeping. Price? He was telling the UPS lady that he could never contact anyone at the company and what a piece of overpriced junk it was. You can put a sheet of copper in front of your heater and buffer the heat with an electric heater. That's common sense. Some people still can't get it. Let me first say, I have been praiseing the Edenpure for about 6 years. heater was done on his own time in his own garage with his own tools and therefore would be outside of his scope of employment. And stop blaming others if you buy the wrong product because you did't do your homework. I told customer services I wanted my money refunded and was told NO WAY you have had your heater over the 60 days satisfaction guarantee.. What the h..l are they talking about I have a 5 yr warranty. EdenPURE claims it uses a copper coil to reduce harsh heat. Thank you so much! I'm going to have to take back part of the comment about space heaters. He had to pay 25 bucks to ship it. Space heaters cost about 20 cents per hour to operate, give or take, which is a whole lot cheaper than central heat for a home of almost any size. 2023 The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers on this website. Yes if i needed a safe heater and had the right place for them. Divide watts by 1,000 to get kilowatts per hour. It is designed for heated or cooled air to go through only the vents of the zones you have on. A FEW YEARS AGO A CITY ELECTRIC INSPECTER TOLD ME SOMETHING THAT REALLY WORKS. It doesn't mater what's inside the box. dont buy this heater,if you live in California. do EVERYTHING that these $400 dollar SNAKE OIL heaters do!! 1st Lt. George W. Bush in uniform. Cost between 30% and 60% less per hour of operation than wood-burning fireplaces Emit 40 times fewer emissions than wood-burning units and cost less to operate They can be turned off easily with a switch, eliminating concern about remaining embers Propane gas-burning cooktops and ovens. I am glad you enjoy your EdenPURE heater. Love my EdenPURE heater! Conventional water heaters use energyusually either gas or electricityto generate heat. We have unplugged our Eden Pure and have decided to think of this as a 300.00 back up heat source in case our gas furnace takes a dump. First is that your heating plant is grossly inefficient and that your heating ducts practically are routed outside the house to heat the outside before coming back inside. This is an all electric home the highest electric bill in the winter has been $276 . The EdenPure heater uses 1500 Watts. The most common type of heat pump is the air-source heat pump, which transfers heat between your house and the outside air. Before eden pure electric bill $75.00 and Propane bill (75 gals per month/2.99 = 224.25. total monthly costs $299.25, After eden pure electric bill $135.00 and Propane bill (25 gals per month/2.99= 74.75 total monthly costs $209.75, $347.00 for new Gen4, pays for self in 3.87 months, Don't care about all you "stats" just what my check book says, and it tells me the Eden Pure is working for me :))). Both heated equal areas in comparable ways, even though the Lasko only costs about $50. Im just another sucker. I havent tried other heaters because Ive been satisfied. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on January 20, 2012: Ritamarie, thank you for the lengthy comment. My personal choice - an oil-filled radiator, with the price tag of around $40 to $60. Cubic Feet/Minute is the best measure. Then, if you read the contents, there is no coverage for the first TWO years. You don't need an EdenPURE product to close vents around your home, not in use. Issues of safety, durability, and return on investment must be considered before purchasing one of the most expensive portable infrared heaters on the market. Stay warm everyone!! They are usually a rip-off. Here are the facts - 1) Duct loss in a basement is not always a bad thing , if your basement is too cold you risk freezing pipes so if the temp. Point is, I finally bought a Dr Heater and it works way better than any other heater I have tried in my basement and I tried them all! A 1500-watt heater will produce at most 5000 BTUs. The customer service for these things is terrible, they leave you waiting on line for long periods listen to a recording telling you over and over you will wait less than a minute. I don't doubt people are saving money using the Eden Pure heater because "zone heating"I has to save money by not heating unused areas. Directions to Burkett Heating & Cooling Authorized Dealer & Servicer We are authorized to install, repair, and maintain heating & cooling systems manufactured by some of the most renowned companies in the world. If a simple electric space heater can cut energy consumption by 50 percent, then the government may wish to promote the product with tax incentives in order to break Americas dependence on foreign oil. Sign in to create job alert. Needless to say, i WILL NOT be buying any expensive heating units with misleading claims of their efficiency and lower monthly savings. sellers and buyers must dedicate ourselves to paying the cost of doing the right thing or the one who doesn't dissappears. The copper is pretreated to soften the copper . The memos, allegedly written in 1972 and 1973, were obtained by CBS News producer Mary Mapes and freelance journalist Michael Smith, from Lt. Col. Bill Burkett, a former US Army National Guard officer. In other words a room measuring 6' x 7'. Bill Burr announced spring and summer North American dates for his Live Nation produced 2022 arena and amphitheater tour, Bill Burr (Slight Return), visiting 23 cities from April through August including Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse on April 23, 2022. However, the radiant barrier can't be sandwiched between two objects as the contact point transfers heat away quite nicely. Thanks for the good info that saved me. ", They would be dedicated to making sure the expectations of an ongoing pleasant experience that is designed into the commercial would be realized to the end of product life. Do not take my word for it call yourself 1-800-294-0280 and see if you can get through. Loves them! Besides I came to the conclusion that you really don't save anything with them anyway. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on January 08, 2011: Don, that is why I recommend buying through Amazon so you have their return policy protection. They collect heat from the air, water, or ground outside your home and concentrate it for use inside. My heat gun is about 5 times hotter than my wife's hairdryer. About 8 years ago, I got an estimate for ZONE HEATING for my home including the garage. Electric heating is a process in which electrical energy is converted directly to heat energy at around 100% efficiency, [contradictory] using rather cheap devices. It has exactly the same power of 1000 to 2000 Watts as everything else including EdenPure. I would rather have on sweats, even with another shirt under and be comfortable with my $200. [8], When asked about Burkett's role in the controversy, David Van Os, Burkett's lawyer, responded with the hypothesis that someone may have reconstructed documents that they believed existed in 1972 or 1973.[9]. Edenpure heaters are CRAP. Another thing that I doubt some of you would do to save $$$ on your electricity is to get used to the early morning cooler temps by wearing sweats. d.william from Somewhere in the south on December 01, 2011: Good article. As well as my cats! I was dumb enough to fall for this scam. I realized that this was the start of giving me the run around. PUT A THRMOSTAT IN EACH LARGE ROOM IN YOUR HOUSE THEN INSTALL A SWITCHER TO CONTROL EACH THERMOSTAT IT CUT MY BILL IN HALF. Publication Date: 05/25/2006 . Jobinhoud: Voor een familiebedrijf in Ranst gaan wij op zoek naar een Customer Service Officer die zal fungeren als centraal aanspreekpunt voor onze klanten.Je helpt hen enthousiast verder bij vragen ivm het productaanbod, prijzen, bestellingen & klachten.Verder bestaat jouw takenpakket uit: Afhandelen van eigen dossiers (bestelbonnen aanpassen, lijsten opmaken, leveringen/retourbons inzetten,) In other words a fan force heater will heat a space faster and then turn off faster while a pure convection heater will take much longer. You are just cutting costs by heating a smaller areasomething you could have done without a $400 space heater. Question: What is a radiant barrier? Smart Thermostats. I told her that I wanted my order cancelled and it was I hope. So all the rest is just hype , Shame on Bob Vella. No more, no less. With the cost of propane today at over $5.49/gal anything you can do to offset propane useage is a ++++++. I called the company so I could exchane it but I have to pay shipping. Even your oil or gas-fired furnace does not reduce oxygen because the combustion gasses that go up the chimney are replaced by air infiltration. After reading all the comments, there is no way that I will save any money with this EdenPure Heater and will not order this. at a fraction of the cost,with the same heat output a far fewer failure rates. Furthermore, after you buy the first one they give substantial discounts on future purchases of any of their products. With the economy and everyone wanting to save money, it is shameful that Mr. Villa put his name on this product. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. If your electric company charges you 10 cents per kilowatt hour and you run a 1,500-watt space heater for 10 hours, that will cost $1.50. Signed Mad from South Dakota and hope there is some kind of class action suit taken against Eden Pure and their misleading clan. I first spent a few dollars on insulation(extra)it paid off! Hogwash. I took a look at these today in a True Value store. However after studying A LOT of them including Duraflame, and all the current ones on the market, I found Dr. Infrared to be the best comparable for a fraction of the cost of EdenPure, as well as the most highly recommended. If the ceiling were 12', then the amount of air, 1200 cubic feet, would need heating. If you look at the stats, they use far more electricity..the ones I just looked at on the Green Site do and they are not inexpensive. First of all, because it is silent. Is the $300 Edenpure any better than a regular $20 electric space heater for any purpose? FACT: Nonsense. EdenPUREs manufacturer makes several claims about its heater. Nice flat spot for debris. So reliability can be good or bad. I live in a double wall 2500 sq ft log home (outside logs, insulation, inside logs). They were not meant to be used in that manner. This is the second blog I have complained on. Oil heaters transfer heat by convection. Mobile homes are really bad for heat loss. My only issue is that the second year it started turning off all the time for no reason and now it's just sitting in my spare room doing nothing. I'm currently waiting for my new EdenPURE 360, do you have an opinion about this one? You just have to decide if the features of the Eden Pure are worth the extra cost over a less expensive space heater. Ventilation Fans. Less expensive models one have tubes. My Gen 4 burned out in 2 years, Eden pure company claims they will send me new quartz heating tubes but I want Bob Villa here to fix it!!!! And, regardless of what someone said about 1500 watts is 1500 watts and is going to heat the same area, that is not what I have read and have posted (copied and pasted from advertisements). I also agree with your opinion on products sold by celebrities. Answer: A radiant barrier is a thin reflective fabric. You save $ using a portable heater because you can heat just the space you're in at the time. When the sunlight is in the right direction, I can see the dust particles floating by the intake. Are the so called experts on here thick or something. If you read it carefully, it never really claims that the Eden Pure heater is a miraculous heat source. Standing by it, it doesn't really seem like it is doing much work, but, judging from our reduced power bills, it is doing exactly what these units are claimed to do. I called them again and realizing that these things must be nothing but junk I told them that I just wanted a refund. When I was 1st introduced to the Edin Pure, price of heating fuel was sky high. These systems the japanese use do not use ducts!!! Sorry to sound so negative in my postings here, it's just I hate to see people get taken, especially someone who believes what they are sold on TV infomercials like these. It's CFM rate is horrible vs. a fan forced electric heater. All they will pay is the premiums paid in. Only if you needed this type Of heater. Get notified about new Tester jobs in Ranst, Flemish Region, Belgium. I just received the flyer in my mail box regarding the Eden Pure Heater and am glad that I researched this on your website. They have two 1000 watt and 1500 watt settings and will heat 200 sq feet, but from what I read, the 1500 watt setting is using more electricity. Caveat emptor. I ordered my heater on the 14th of Dec. and was told that it would not take more than 14 days (what a joke)I started calling around the first of January and I could not get anyone on the phone. Another interesting point that only Delbert seemed to make is--- how much maintenance is required? You should use your own judgement and take some care to buy the right product for you. About the same. He admitted to lying to CBS about the origin of the memos when he said he got them from fellow guardsman George Conn,[6] then claiming that he received the Killian documents from a woman calling herself "Lucy Ramirez" who has never been identified. The EdenPURE heater is several times as expensive as other infrared electric heaters. While at home he is not acting as an agent of the business so his actions were not in conflict with his duty of loyalty or notification. Bob Villa uses the same deceptive wording as the company. Burkett, William W. (Galena, MO, US) Burkett, Glenda Sue (Galena, MO, US) Application Number: 10/996346 . I am trying to heat about a 400 SQ foot area. the other heater 1 year old the heater tube burned out' I saved $200.00 in heating bills , but spent 300.00 more on electricity. The family film tells the story of Bobby Burkett (Huffman), the quarterback for Louisville St. Thomas Aquinas, a small catholic high school. Doubled Electric bill, no effect on gas consuption. How can 1500 watts out perform 1500 watts? Is anyone anymore really honest? EdenPURE claims stretch the truth. The above people are correct, you can only get so much heat out of a given amount of electricity. I purchased a gen4 2 months ago and could not find I was saving any money since Im all electric.I have notified the co I want to return the heater for a refund and they keep giving me the run around about sending me an RMA and the prepaid UPS slip to ship the unit back to them.after reading some of the other complaints I'm wandering if I will ever get a slip. EdenPURE Classic CopperPLUS Heater $272.00 $399.00 Best Sellers EdenPURE 3000 Whole House Air Purifier by AirFree $299.00 $374.00 EdenPURE GEN50 Infrared Heater $297.00 $399.00 EdenPURE GEN40 Heater $247.00 $447.00 EdenPURE Bio SpeedCLEAN Cordless Vac - Model XL200 $249.00 $299.00 EdenPURE GEN21 EdenPURE All Season Heater $279.00 $447.00 Your heating in the northern regions will typically average somewhere around $500/month. As for bob vila. You do the math. EdenPURE sells their heaters all day long on their website for $247 plus free shipping so where you got your $400 figure is a mystery. You get what you pay for, and many manufactured homes do not put the quality into their heating systems, ductowrk, etc. It claims to scrub the air in a 1000 cubic foot room. I've been in the HVAC field for 40 years. The heating element inside every electric heater is . The EdenPURE portable electric heater is a scam by my count. You also only heat one room so it costs over $2 per room at an 8 hour run. I used the Gen3 1000 last winter and it kept our living area comfortable. I guess after all those years pushing Sears tools, Villa decided to push yet another scam. Glad I read all these posts before wasting my money on Edenpure though. Go to the Home Depot, Lowe's, Cosco etc., and choose the heater out of couple of dozens designs they have there. Yes other heaters have safety cut off switches but there not much good if your sofa has set on fire because the fire was too close. It is a well-marketed $40 electric heater selling for $400 or more. How long do the bulbs last, how much do they cost, and does a technician have to do the work? My heating bill was $30 month versus $90 in kersosene and the side effects it left.I had to install a heavier wire to carry the amp's but it worked when I needed a heavier heater(1000)I think oil companies will do anything to keep you hooked,my dad(81)spent $800 for a couple months,got a few heaters and saved a bundle. An electric heater can do the job for an unheated sideroom or shop where the cost of a furnace or duct work would be prohibitive. 3) Infrared doesn't just heat air molecules, it also heats water molecules (humidity) as it passes through an infrared heat exchanger. I was about to order an eden pure online when I saw this site and decided to read consumer comments first. Keith Schroeder (author) from Wisconsin on November 13, 2011: Thanks for the comment, ritamarie. But I'm sure they will be $94.80 two years from now. One of the most important features and benefits of the Eden Pure vs one of the $50 that may heat the same space I would not trust most of those $50 heaters or anything that can be turned over easily and I certainly would never leave my home with one of those heaters on. My last post was cut off - 2) A btu is a btu 1500 watts is 5100 btu's .That is all you can put on a 120 volt 15 amp curcuit . I tune mine up every year with the drop of oil and a little compressed air. Bill Burkett. I also have a $39.99 portable oil radiator heater that I purchased from Lowes.
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