Historians of guns and ammo credit OConnors writings for popularizing the little .270, which was and still is a bit of an oddball caliber. Certainly, out to 400 yards, no elk can stand up to a good 180-grain bullet well-placed from a .30-06. Unless you want a new, longer range rig, then go for it! It might be impossible to find the rifle you want and darn tough to find factory loads to feed it. I have just always gravitated to the 7mm's over the 270 cartridges. 7mm Remington Magnu n. 28 . Here stands the old warrior with its two newest competitors in the rather small .27-caliber world. 180-gr. . Like the.350 Legend as an elk cartridge. Bugling rifle hunts arent common, but they still exist. Less variety in factory loads on the market. Once you start reaching out there, the 28 Nosler really shines. Think Remington M700s, Savage M110s, Ruger M77s, and even the Browning Autoloading Rifle. So, for an all-around elk-thumper, Ive gone back to the .338. In addition to the caliber, Nosler also introduced new 165gr . Can Coolers | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Find More Great NRA Publications Perfect For Every Interest, Discover Everything That The NRA Has To Offer. Start with the .30/30 Winchester and climb until your nose bleeds. A faster-than-standard 1-8.5" twist barrel design allows the 27 Nosler to propel Nosler's factory-loaded 150gr AccuBond and 165gr AccuBond Long Range bullets (new for 2020) at never-before-seen velocities and distances in 270 caliber. Ideally, something like the .338 Lapua Magnum makes sense but, realistically, that is too much recoil. By this measurement, the .28 Nosler is one of the best elk cartridges for long range shooting. With the right bullets, it can actually hit harder than the 375 H&H Magnum at longer ranges. But replacing the 300 WSM doesn't make sense to me. Its a 3.34-inch magnum cartridge that fits the same standard-length action rifles as the .338 Win. The 27 Nosler case has 42% more case capacity than the 270 Winchester, 25% more than the 270 WSM and 12.5% more than the 270 Weatherby. So my final hunting setup only weighs 8 pounds, 8 ounces. The muscle car of .277-caliber cartridges is the recent 27 Nosler. Makes me feel good to see I am within 150 fps of the 27 Nosler. hatched five years later and gave big brother a real run for his money. Still a great cartridge, as is the .300 Weatherby. At 300 yards that bullet should still carry nearly 2,700 ft-lb energy, which is close to what a 180-grain .308 Winchester coughs up at the muzzle. But that doesnt mean we cant come up with other cartridges shooting .277-inch bullets. In addition to the caliber, Nosler also introduced new 165gr AccuBond Long Range bullets in .277, specifically designed for the 27 Noslers faster-than-standard 1-8.5 twist rate. A high B.C. This means you have the option to read your magazine on most popular phones and tablets. Mag., 27 Nosler, .277 SIG Fury. For 2020, Nosler has chosen to take the venerable 270 caliber to a new level with the introduction of the all-new 27 Nosler. Maybe they are still there . However, if I were in the market for a fast 7mm, Id look at one of the new unbelted cartridges designed for these bullets. Reno Nevada. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. The primary example right now is the 28 Nosler, but 7mm bullet development continues, and I predict cartridge development will keep pace. It hits harder than the .30/06 and even the old .300 H&H Magnum without as much recoil as the .338. Joined Feb 1, 2016 Messages 82. The right bullet in the right place. I took some big elk with the Swift A-Frame and bullet performance was exceptional. With this bullet, each elk dropped in it's tracks with only one shot, all between 100-350 yards away. Quite a few elk have fallen from the 117hh in a wsm at . After years of hunting and shooting from Africa to Alaska, I think most get cartridge enery wrong. If you anticipate hunting big, open country or canyonlands where shots could go long, the .300 and .338 magnums should be on your list. The .277-inch bore has been definedfor nearly a centuryby the .270 Winchester, and while that cartridge is an undeniable classic, its twist rate limits the bullet weight to 150 grains maximum, with some of the round nosed 160s stabilizing properly in certain circumstances. Both new rounds exceed the ballistics of the old one, but do it in different ways. loads. Read Next: Weird, Off-Beat, and Cool Guns and Gear from SHOT Show 2020. Nosler, with the introduction of its fifth big-game centerfire cartridge, has changed the potential of the .277-inch bore diameter by tightening the twist rate to 1:8.5, and offering the 165-grain AccuBond Long Range as an option for those who appreciate the higher sectional density and ballistic coefficient. Still, any .37-caliber pushing 250- to 300-grain bullets faster than about 2,500 fps is going to lead to copious amounts of skinning and packing. This nudges MV (muzzle velocity) to 3,200 fps and increases recoil velocity to almost 18 fps and energy to nearly . You are all set and go forth with complete confidence. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. With its case capacity (98.4 grains water compared to about 80 grains in a .270 Wby. Manufacturer #: 61237. AccuBond Long Range or a comparable bullet with its high B.C. Mags. Mag. Mag., and no one howls about that being too fast. It usually includes hiking steep country for days with a pack on your back. Sticking with the 8-pound rifle, the 26 Nosler pushing a 142-grain bullet 3,200 fps will recoil 16 fps with nearly 32 f-p energy. I have yet to see anyone do a comparison of the two cartridges, no doubt because the 27 Nosler is a very new option at this time. The old .270 Winchester has been hotly debated since 1925, yet it has been a favorite among thousands of elk pros. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. Lots of things still to be determined, but at least the .277-inch bullet size is getting some new life. But that doesnt seem to matter. Ive had unsuccessful elk hunts, but Ive never lost a bull, so my choices have worked for me. This is, perhaps, one of the worst ways to measure a cartridges suitability for hunting because it doesnt take into account shot placement or bullet design; however, it at least provides some barometer of the cartridges power. Whats best for you depends on the distance you intend to shoot, based on where you hunt. The 27 Nosler has 32% more case capacity than the .270 Winchester, 22% more than the .270 Winchester Short Magnum and 14% more than the .270 Weatherby. For example: Fire a Nosler 168-gr. Hunters typically but incorrectly use the best elk calibers to mean cartridge, but Ill use calibers for the sake of this review. Inside of 500 yards the ballistics and energy are comparable. For most big game animals, energy does not kill them. numbers hitting .590 or so, keep velocities at 3,000 fps with carefully built handloads, and 300-yard drop is only 2.3 inches, wind deflection 4.7 inches, retained energy 2,700 ft-lb. Okay, but minimal. Another desirable choice is the also-scarce .358 Winchester, and I took a fine Colorado bull with a Marlin in .338 Marlin Express, a great cartridge. Question. Ditto the .416s, 44s, and 45s. Learn More . In other words, unlovely. Weighing in at 7.8 pounds before optics and with an MSRP of $1985, the Premier Highlander is an excellent elk hunting rifle. The two old wildebeest bulls weighed about 315 pounds each, and a mature bull elk weighs approximately 650 pounds. Say the bullets are more than 180 grains in 300 Win Mag. With a .28 Nosler and a TTSX, you can pretty much guarantee a full passthrough on almost any angle. Fine options include the old .264 Win. Will the 27 Nosler shove the .270 Winchester out of the limelight? It shoots a svelte .277-caliber 165-grain . But not so much that youre afraid to shoot it. Though Nosler offers just two loads, the handloader can take full advantage of the full gamut of component bullets available for the .270 Winchester and others, giving the handloader a bullet range of 130 to 165 grains. The 7mm Rem Mag has slipped in popularity, but with todays off-the-chart BC bullets, it is still a fine choice. more than the 270 WSM at the muzzle. Jim Harmer is a host of the Backfire Youtube channel. quote: 7mm/284 and 6.5 have a huge selection of bullets already available. (Or you can just stalk closer and to heck with pushing the envelope. Unless Sig Sauers new .277 SIG Fury is more your style. Many argue this about the .28-calibers, too, but the old 7mm Remington Magnum remains, since its inception in 1962, the most popular and effective 7mm elk caliber in the mountains. More weight and a higher BC equals more energy to transfer to the target. In eight-pound rifles, the 7mm Rem. A year later, I couldnt be happier with my purchase. Mag. Both new rounds exceed the ballistics of the old one, but do it in different ways. No caliber is more uniquely American than the 270. As an elk cartridge, the .30-06 still shines. Any rifle strong enough to contain the 7mm Rem. Thats 1,000 psi less than the little .22/250 Remington. Many an elk hunter has suggested the .300 Win. This will be for shooting mono-metal bullets mostly for elk hunting. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. So, I dont believe any 7mm hits as hard as a .30-caliber. This new 10mm from FN is rugged, versatile, and effective. This little brother to the .338 Win. Mag., some less. He wasnt quite prepared for the recoil when the rifle was mounted on his shoulder over a puffy coat. Introducing the Veracity PH from Burris, the perfect combination of reliability, quality, and technology delivering a simple aiming solutiona tool for the hunter that just works. But .300 Win. The Ammunition that I will be focusing on for the 27 Nosler are factory Nosler Trophy Grade 150 grain AccuBond and 165-grain AccuBond Long Range offerings. For general Big Game hunting, caliber and expected bullet performance is how I judge killing ability. Im not convinced this is a good thing. Here was the same basic belted magnum case, but the 7mm threw bullets as heavy as 175 grains. UPC #: 054041612371. Some .30-calibers work best in lever actions, some in short actions, some in full magnum actions. To stabilize the new, high B.C. I also think extreme-range shooters with traditional to semi-traditional tastes will gravitate to the Nosler in a bolt-action rifle like the M48. The .30/30, .300 Savage, .30/06, .300 Win. The 33-caliber has become a crowded family, and all members are more than suitable for elk. Mag., .270 WSM, and 27 Nosler step it up a few notches, and the 6.8 Western with its fast twist barrels nudges bullet weights to the upper end of the 7mm line up. Manufactured by Nosler as part of their Trophy Grade Ammunition lineup and loaded with the legendary Nosler Partition bullet, this is hands down the best 28 Nosler ammo for elk, moose, or bear hunting at shorter ranges. Roughly equivalent to a . As with any caliber, the lighter the bullet and lower the muzzle velocity, the easier the rifle is to handle and the closer you should get before taking your shot. The .27 Nosler works with a larger powder reservoir. Such tools may be infinitely adjustable for precision fit and performance, but Ill walk the woods and get my game with a more classic looking hunting rifle. Because Winchester didnt insist on the caliber being proprietary, anyone could load and chamber for it. The .30-06 may not be an extreme range cartridge, but it is capable for the shooting most of us would do. Is 28 Nosler too much for deer? One of the most popular magnums of all time. Weatherbys .300 magnum had been dazzling magnum fans since the mid 1940s, but it was a full-length magnum caliber available only in expensive custom or Weatherby Rifles. I think a .30-06 with 180-grain bullet offers about the same performance as a 7mm Remington Magnum with 175-grain bullet. . Lots more powder. At 2,500 fps and a B.C. I had the 170 elites up to 3125 fps when it was 270 wby so I'm hoping to easily get to 3200 + once it's a 27. The 27 Nosler can . bullet will carry about 250 ft-lb more energy. Modern 6.5s, whether slow like the Creedmoor or fast like the PRC, are limited to 140-grain bullets, also light for elk-sized animals. The Nosler version should be even better. Most 225-grain factory loads are rated 2,750 to 2,800 fps, enough velocity to put about 3,900 ft-lb of energy into that little bullet. Personally I find rifle energy a poor measure of killing ability. 30 Nosler cases are preferred if forming 27 Nosler cases because of the similar shoulder dimension. If I can shoot the .28 Nosler without any issues, the vast majority of adult male shooters wont have any issues either. I dont personally shoot extreme ranges when hunting by any means, but when I can consistently hit 600 yards in practice, I know 300 wont give me any trouble when hunting. Some come in ultralight rifles for easy mountain hunting, some in extra heavy platforms for stand hunting or longer range shooting. The problem with the medium magnums (over .30 and less than .375): There are few to choose from, and only the .338 is genuinely popular with a robust selection of loads. The Nosler M48 Carbon Mountain Rifle is reviewed and taken to the range, where we shot and tested several handloads. They share a maximum body diameter of 14.0 mm (0.550 in). This takes us back to the launch. If you like your hearing, on the other hand, shooting without a brake will kick hard. Not faster, not always more accurate, but designed around modern bulletswhich really do offer a long-range advantage. So, in open country, a fast 7mm has tremendous appeal. Just as theres a significant difference between a 22-year-old, 6-foot 4-inch athlete and a 50-year-old, 5-foot 7-inch accountant, theres a huge difference between rolling prairies and 11,000-foot peaks poking above doghair stands of pine and spruce. Is 28 Nosler too much for deer? Mag. However, if I had it to do over, Id get a .300 PRC. It's extremely flat shooting and drops an incredible amount of energy on target. If you like velocity, the 27 Nosler will fit the bill, as it drives the 150-grain bullets to a muzzle velocity of 3300 fps, and the 165-grain bullets to 3150 fps. Think it all through carefully before choosing. That said, the .284-inch bullet has two advantages. And youll definitely want to spark those heavy powder charges with a large rifle magnum primer. This list of the best cartridges for elk hunting starts with the welterweights and moves up to the heavy hitters. Based on the 404 Jeffrey Same case as the 30 Nosler When compared to the 28 Nosler, the 27 Nosler has a longer neck and a shorter length to the shoulder to prevent the 28 from being chambered in the 27. I've got an MRC X3 I am going to rebarrel. Im guessing many semi-custom brands like Fierce, Christensen Arms, Browning X-Bolts and others will soon be chambered 27 Nosler. We have an embarrassment of choices in 7mms, and elk dont like any. Traditional .270s are limited by 1:10 rifling twist to 150-grain bullets. shinbone # 14865591 05/10/20. Because of lower pressure and achieving full velocity with less powder, the .30-06 has less felt recoil than a 7mm Remington Magnum. The onshore winds had begun to swirl a bit, and I was thoroughly convinced that the hunt was essentially over for that evening. He has managed multiple gun ranges, and has hunted around the world. Of the seven chamberings offered in the Premier Highlander, the 300 PRC, 300 Winchester Magnum, 7mm Magnum and 28 Nosler all are up to taking elk. The 22, 26, 27, 28, 30, and 32 Noslers. Mag. Nosler has built quite a cartridge family, and it continues to grow. Wonderful elk cartridge, so is the .325 WSM, but theyre not common. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. There have been other .270s, like the .270 Weatherby Magnum, and Winchesters own .270 WSM, but they have maintained the same 1:10-inch twist rate of the .270 Winchester, and use the same projectile weights. This is a great site and I love the reviews but there are some inconsistencies. wheaties300 Well-Known Member. Its just too convenient and effective to go away. Guns. There are plenty of other .30-calibers for hire. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Nosler Trophy Grade Ammunition 27 Nosler 165 Grain AccuBond Long Range Box of 20. Thats a very nice lightweight setup, without going to the extremes. Keep it on 4 unless you have lots of time at longer range then you can crank it up. No matter 27 or 28 caliber. The 28 Nosler adds considerable powder, thus energy, to push the same 175-grain bullet as the 280 AI. Articles may contain affiliate links which enable us to share in the revenue of any purchases made. Based on the antique .404 Jeffery cartridge case, the 27 Nosler is the first new .277-caliber rifle cartridge . With the Jeffery-based case, youll want to look to powder choices on the slow end of the spectrum. In the past, you had to handload to get these, but long-range shooters have created sufficient demand that many ammo makers now offer factory ammo featuring bullets heavier than 200-grains. Id go the 27 Nosler, the 270 WSM is awesome. Thirty-calibers have been sending elk to the table for more than 125 years. Mag. 28 Nosler is a one and done for everything on NA. Be the first to hear about our latest news and events. Thats the key to each of these new .270 cartridges. The old archetypical big-timber elk rifle was the Winchester M71 in .348. Im not sure if theyve won the contract or if the testing is still underway, but the civilian bolt-action rifle and ammo should become available in 2020. Some of us hunt still-hunt elk in black timber and on brushy lower slopes. And suddenly, in 2020, were getting two of them. At extreme range, hits or misses may not be apparent, and in the late afternoon it will be dark long before you get there to look. From a distance, it looks like your typical Bobcat. First, 7mm bullets tend to have better aerodynamics, so they will strut their stuff better at longer ranges. The old 757 is itself a proven elk getter. Mag. 27 Nosler Load Data Mag. The doe fell out of the scope, and I had filled the last of the four tags issued to me on the Hawaiian Island of Molokai. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. But if youre going to this narrow caliber, choose one with more velocity than the Creedmoor. In comparison a 250-grain slug at 2,600 fps will churn up just 3,750 ft-lb. This review can help with that. Video of Elk Being Shot with .28 Noslerif(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_13',175,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0'); Nosler even advertises the .28 Nosler primarily as an elk cartridge. To contain 80,000 psi pressures SIG has built a reportedly beefy rifle. If recoil isnt a concern, you can slide up the power charts via the 33 Nosler, .340 Wby. Subscribe to OL+ for our best feature stories and photography. .284-inch bullet or a 180-gr. If you need to balance reach and punch with minimal weight, Id look to the 7mm magnums pushing 150- to 175-grain bullets. Not only does it pack a whopping 3,188 foot pounds of energy at 100 yards, it maintains a measurement of over 1,500 foot pounds out to 747 yards. I am thinking of bullet weight and higher B.C. That increased capacity, coupled with modern powders, allows the 27 Nosler to drive bullets faster and flatter than ever before. I see it this way with a bullet of adequate caliber for the game hunted, its bullet performance at expected range that kills and is a good measure of killing abilty. The rimless case uses a 35-degree shoulder for headspacing, and maintains a 2.590-inch case length and 3.340-inch cartridge overall length. Kali Parmley of Gun Dog Magazine talks to George Thompson from Benelli USA about the new features from the Benelli line in 2023. The factory ammo and brass is cheaper for the 28 Nosler. The .27 Nosler works with a larger powder reservoir. This meant the .338 Win. When choosing among these three .270s one must consider more than just ballistics. Your email address will not be published. In both cases, the 163 grain ELD-X bullet did not exit the animals body and used all that energy inside the vitals. That means less tracking of wounded game, which is all math thats sure to please any hunter. of energy, making it a suitable choice for an all-around North American cartridge. The .28 Nosler shoots flat and powerfully, but it is expensive to shoot, burns barrels quickly, and has significant recoil. Then, the barrel life will be around 1500 rounds! The 7 WSM and 7 SAUM just about match it in handier short action rifles. Obviously, there is plenty of leeway in all of this, and personal biases can play a big role. It nearly matched ballistics of the Weatherby Magnum. The .277 Fury works with much higher chamber pressures to get high velocity. Unless you work with a custom gun builder and handload, study factory options before choosing. Ditto rifle size. But elk stopping performance typically comes with a price: recoil. Selecting your perfect elk caliber hinges on you as well as the elk and the landscapes and habitat in which youll hunt them. Mag. The last elk I killed was nice 6x6 at 260 yds with 270. With archery energy is not the killing factor, yet arrows kill big elk quickly. Recoil isn't bad and it will lay out the ft/lbs of energy as ways. The 7mm Rem Mag is certainly adequate for any elk, especially with heavier bullets. Figure an 8-pound rifle spitting a 150-grain bullet slapping your shoulder with about 30- to 34 foot-pounds of energy at 16 fps. However, strong-bodied hunters who will only shoot 20 shots in a practice session and a few shots for hunting will likely have no trouble at all. Along with the .30-06 Springfield and .30-30 Winchester, these cartridges have anchored more deer than any others. The ELD-X is not a deep penetrating bullet, but instead is designed for reliable expansion even at longer distances and slower speeds. Many elk hunters consider the old .375 H&H the ultimate elk medicine, but not everyone cares to handle their recoil or the kind of rifle mass that tames it. There are dozens of good elk cartridges, with choices depending largely on the distances you intend to shoot, thus dictating the bullet energy you need to project. For me, I havent developed any flinching issues and Id prefer to have a gun that I know will shoot incredibly flat with little wind drift at long distances for those cross-canyon elk shots. I have shot neither so my opinion may not mean much. A couple of friends swear by the .444 Marlin for hunting elk in oak brush. Jan 29, 2023 #2 Dang about a month ago shooters pro had blems for $16/25. Mag., and .300 RUM are all 30 calibers, but significantly different 30-caliber cartridges. We had set up in what I considered to be a less-than-advantageous position, a bit too skylined for my liking, and with very little cover. With 7mm bullets now up to 195 grains, I would barrel it with 1:8 twist, vice the old 1:9 7mm twist. Re: 27 Nosler vs 28 Nosler. No discussion of a cartridges ability to take large game would be complete without discussing foot pounds of energy. in a 22-inch barrel. One of the most effective elk calibers available. That bullet offers the best of all worlds, as it will reliably expand at longer ranges when it has slowed down a bit, yet will hold together at woods distances when velocities remain high . There are some great 7mm bullets! They share a maximum body diameter of 14.0 mm (0.550 in). I also have a 28 Nosler and am very impressed with its performance. Always, the idea is to hit a bull as well as you can, but you want to hit him hard. Google a 270 win - 280 rem comparison and it will tell you all you need to know. The .270 Winchester fits standard-length actions with standard diameter bolt faces and standard magazines. I took two black wildebeest with my rifle chambered in .28 Nosler. Winchester borrowed the same basic belted magnum case, blew out the walls, pushed the 25-degree shoulder forward, shortened overall length to .30/06 standard, and created a powder reservoir holding about 90 grains of water. Noslers .27 will be chambered in that companys M48 bolt-action rifles. A natural question now is if other gun makers will chamber for the 27 Nosler and .277 SIG Fury. About 1:8 would be my guess. But 3,190 FPS with a 170 pill. Mag. 27 Nosler 145 Hornady ELD-X-How The 27 Nosler Outdoes Other .270s: Based on the .404 Jeffery, its case has exceptional capacity. "Whereas the 6.5s aren't enough for elk and the .30 cals are too much for whitetail, the 6.8 strikes the perfect balance of ballistic performance for all North American big game and in lighter, easier-to-shoot rifle platforms." . 1:8.5 The 27 Noslers faster-than-standard twist barrel is designed to stabilize modern, long range bullets. Extremely flat shooting. The 27 Nosler has a long leade for sleek, high BC, long ogive, ABLR and RDF style bullets. Mag. Any rifle/cartridge adequate for elk at long range is also adequate up close, but my concept of a thick-cover elk rifle uses a heavy, large-diameter bullet, without concern for flat trajectory or extreme velocity. The .30-06 is the most powerful cartridge ever adopted by a major military. Work the numbers, compare for yourself; at moderate ranges differences arent that dramatic. There are several more options if you purchase online or order your loads from a local store, but you should be aware that those who dont reload and purchase from local shops will likely not have many options.
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